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  • Apr. 23rd, 2008 at 7:42 PM
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I'm so happy! My Finnish: An Essential Grammar arrived the other day - I would have posted sooner, but Matt was staying at mine meaning I couldn't post. Anyway, what a godsend. Last week, when I ordered it off Amazon, was when I decided to step up my Finnish, and I couldn't do that without a grammar. What a fantastic book. Beautiful to look at and read. I think I would marry this book if it was legal. One problem I have though, is living in the UK. Bookshops here seem to only cater for the popular languages: Chinese, French, German, Italian, Polish, Russian and Spanish, which means it is very difficult to find anything on Finnish (or Hungarian or Turkish for that matter). Sooo! Now I have a Finnish course and reference grammar - I need a dictionary. It would be absolutely impossible to find a Finnish dictionary in shops (with the exception of travellers ones which are of no use to me) and the only dictionaries I can find on Amazon have really bad reviews and/or are dead expensive. Whiiiich leads me onto my next point...

Helsinki! I made the decision the other day that I will go during the summer (probably August). I have to go. I might ask my Grandad if he will take me for my birthday, haha. I lie awake at night and hear her calling me: "Tom... Tom... Lähtisitkö kanssani ulos tänä iltana?". Sigh. It would cost me maybe about £150 to go for two nights, including accomodation. Even if Matt or anyone else don't want to come with me - I am going. There's so much yet to see, and I'm gonna make sure Helsinki is one of the first to be crossed off my list, meaning that I have more opportunities to go back to Finland and see places like Rovaniemi and Lapland. It makes me laugh though, because my Finnish book says "The Finns are excellent dictionary makers, so if you ever go to Helsinki you are in luck". Can you see where I'm going with this? :-)

Anyway, closer to home, my house for the next academic year! It's all sorted on paper, the room in the house is mine. There have been no financial interactions between me and the landlord (which is one of the girls mothers), but the room is mine. Remember how my flatmate decided he didnt want to live with me? Well I'll tell you the whole story. Basically, after Christmas, we decided that we definately definately wanted to live together, and rather than just talking about it, like we had been before Christmas, we were going to take positive steps to finding somewhere. We also got the interest of our Turkish friend Özge, who wanted to live with us. We found the most amazing three bedroomed flat, but Özge needed to back out, so James and I had to aswell. This seemed to deterr James, who didn't look for anywhere else. I would say to him "If you don't want to look for places to live, let me!" to which he would reply: "No no no! I'll do it!". But I had a look on the sly anyway, and found a few places. But then he turns around one day and told me that our friendship had run it's course, we needed to make new friends, that things had become really stale and perfunctory between me him and Nikki, and that it was time to move on. I wouldn't have minded if he told me this sooner, as I could tell that he had been waiting ages to tell me, and also because it would have meant I had a better choice of places to live. But no. He tells me in April. At least I have somewhere to live now, which is more than him. He said two of his coursemates had a place to live, but thats fallen through and as such they have nowhere. I'll be going into a new 5bed house, all girls, but three are moving out. Left, will be an Italian girl whose mother is the landlord, and her BFF Rozzy. They seem to be inseparable. I'll have a large room and a bay window :-) In the future, you will be hearing much about this house, and the people in it.

I've noticed my posts are always really long - does this bother people? I'll try and cut-down, but I just feel like theres no where else I can ramble on about such things, 'cos my mates said it was boring if I tell them I want to go places and do things. But I think my friends are bland and Anglo-Centric. The Bastards

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By the way Finns, what the fuck is with the Partitive (Partitiivi) Case? It's currently making me want to put bamboo under my fingernails :-)

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[info]kill_the_onions wrote:
Apr. 23rd, 2008 07:57 pm (UTC)
long-winded!
Do you do much online ordering?

I use www.betterworld.com for buying books here in Turkey. And in my overwhelming excitement when I first found the site, I posted about it in the expats community, and someone turned around and suggested this:
http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/WEBSITE/WWW/WEBPAGES/homepage.php

Which seems to only ship for free to EU nations... which doesn't help me at all... but might help you?

Sorry for the commercial plugs - I just totally feel your pain about hard-to-find dictionaries! I need to start reading in Italian for my studies soon, and I was thinking of getting a Turkish-Italian dictionary (easy to find here), instead of English-Italian (hard to find). Then, to read Italian sources, I would have to look words up in Turkish, and then either KNOW the Turkish, or look it up in a Turkish-English dictionary.

This is either a brilliant way to learn more Turkish, or a start path toward insanity. I'm not sure which.
[info]kill_the_onions wrote:
Apr. 23rd, 2008 07:58 pm (UTC)
Re: long-winded!
Of course I meant "straight path."
...I could learn English properly first, I suppose...
[info]gamma_romeo wrote:
Apr. 23rd, 2008 08:03 pm (UTC)
Re: long-winded!
Were you calling my post long winded? Thats not very nice!! :)

And thanks for that link... I've used them a few times as a third party via Amazon - but I didn't know they deliver free to EU nations. I'll definately look into it. Thaaaaaaaanks! :)
[info]kill_the_onions wrote:
Apr. 23rd, 2008 08:07 pm (UTC)
Re: long-winded!
Though I wasn't making an intentional connect, I *must* say that other people's long posts make me feel a lot better about my own. :) So don't scale back!

Glad the link helped - I was so jealous when I heard about it. That's the closest thing I'll ever have for an argument for Turkey joining the EU. ;)

[info]kill_the_onions wrote:
Apr. 23rd, 2008 08:08 pm (UTC)
Re: long-winded!
"intentional connection"

yes, i'm trying to drink beer and type at the same time.
[info]james0289 wrote:
Apr. 24th, 2008 07:45 am (UTC)
I like your long posts; mine are kind of like that. :D

I always thought the partitive was "a fraction of" or "a piece of"... so maybe it's used in places where languages like English or French use those expressions of quantity?
Je ne sais pas. >_>

And yay about finding a house, even though it's not what you originally planned.
Still, I'm sure you'd rather be in a house in that kind of situation, than not be in a house at all.
Um... out of interest, though... what's Matt doing next year? I'm just wondering why you didn't look for a house with him. I might have missed this in an earlier post, however -- you've probably already mentioned it in dispatches somewhere!
[info]gamma_romeo wrote:
Apr. 24th, 2008 11:25 am (UTC)
There are two universities in Nottingham and Matt is at the other, and there aren't many places in the city to live that would be convenient for both of us.

As for Partitiivi, it expresses quantity, is used after numbers greater than one, can sometimes mark an object, marks a predicate complement, is used with adpositions... And I'm finding it the hardest case (of the 15) to form!
[info]james0289 wrote:
Apr. 24th, 2008 12:13 pm (UTC)
Hm... I get the bit about expressing quantity, but all the others don't seem to make sense!
Use after numbers greater than one ("I have four children" would be partitive? Maybe meaning four individual children?).
Marking an object, predicate compliment and adpositions? Is that in an instance where the accusative/dative or oblique wouldn't do?
[info]gamma_romeo wrote:
Apr. 24th, 2008 12:14 pm (UTC)
Haha, as if I know!!! This language will be the end of me! :)
[info]miss_pinky wrote:
Apr. 24th, 2008 08:08 am (UTC)
How I love men polyglots :)))
Language is power!
[info]_sundaymonday_ wrote:
Apr. 24th, 2008 07:33 pm (UTC)
You had added me and I'm a Finn so I guess I should try to answer your question. *goes to read from Wikipedia what the hell is partitive* Oh no, I have no idea! Sorry. I'm starting to realize what a difficult language Finnish is. Now I don't even understand how I'm able to use partitive correctly.
[info]gamma_romeo wrote:
Apr. 24th, 2008 08:43 pm (UTC)
I love your user icon. Meep.
[info]_sundaymonday_ wrote:
Apr. 24th, 2008 08:53 pm (UTC)
My friend said it looks like me xD
[info]magic_potion wrote:
Apr. 28th, 2008 03:51 pm (UTC)
My friend _sundaymonday_ talked me about the partitive thing and ended up saying I should tell the same thing about it to you I told her :P

If you take the example "I have four children" the children are in plural in English, where in Finnish "minulla on neljä lasta" is in singular and partitive because it expresses, like the one who wrote the example said, a part of something. In English language the children form a group called "children" where as in Finnish the four children are a part of a bigger group called "lapset". The same thing works in everything else too. I think it expresses cultural differences too, English speaking countries are more centered on the individual, Finland is traditionally more communal.

I dont know if that made partitive any more clear but it's a nice thing to know about the differences in the languages ^^
[info]gamma_romeo wrote:
Apr. 28th, 2008 03:58 pm (UTC)
Hey. Thanks for that, it did clear a lot up for me. My main problem is when you use the partitive singular, where, for example, Latin or German would use the accusative, e.g.: Emma ei syö puuroa, but this is becoming more clear to me since I posted this, especially when I read about the difference between Tyttö luki kirjaa and Tyttö luki kirjan.

Thanks again. :)

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